West Series

Nice to see some one get what they have coming for flat out cheating.
Great job buy the tech people.

The goodyear people should have noticed the lighter wheels when mounting the race tires.

Who cheated and what happened?

FINISH REVISED FOR TOYOTA ALL-STAR SHOWDOWN GRAND NATIONAL RACE

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla.NASCAR announced today that the unofficial results of Saturday’s Toyota All-Star Showdown Grand National Division race at Irwindale (Calif.) Speedway have been revised, resulting in original runner-up David Gilliland being declared the winner.

The car driven by Mike Olsen, originally listed as the winner in the unofficial results, failed post-race inspection. Olsen’s crew chief, Harry Norcross, was determined to be in violation of Section 12-4-A (actions detrimental to stock car racing) and Section 12-4-Q (car, car parts, components, and/or equipment that do not conform to NASCAR rules) of the NASCAR rule book. Olsen’s car had unapproved right-side wheels which exceeded the maximum width of 9 ½ inches and were less than the 27-pound minimum weight.

The violations dropped Olsen to 31st in the official race finish. Gilliland and all others in the event moved up one position as a result.

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FADDEN RACING TO APPEAL NASCAR PENALTY NASCAR ALL-STAR SHOWDOWN

Fadden Racing, Inc. will appeal the penalty NASCAR handed down today to Harry Norcross, crew chief for the No. 61 Busch North Series car, as a result of a rules infraction last weekend at Irwindale Speedway.

Alvin Fadden, Team Manager of Fadden Racing, Inc. "The infraction was issued to the crew chief, and NASCAR essentially penalized Mike Olsen.”

Harry Norcross has been relieved of his crew chief duties.

Have you actually watched the tire guys work? It is the competitor's responsibility to race a legal car. Period. Any pre-race inspection is for safety purposes only, not to determine if a car is legal or not. Duh

AHHH 12bspeedy.....Duh So all the pre-race inspection: Weight, Height, Wheelbase, Body templates, Carb., Cubic inch, compression and the guy on the creeper under the car, etc. is all safety related?

On the Red Trailer board someone asked if he was also disqualified in the 50 lap qualifier or did he get the money if they did not tech the top five there ???

Come on man the bottom line is that it is the teams resopnsibility to make sure they bring a legal car to the race track!!! Stop copping out and blaming it on the tech officials, they did there job!

This is true. There have been way too many times that a car is illegal and Nascar allows the win to stick. The tech officials did the right thing. They sent a message to the young fans that the rule book is there for a purpose and that the smart thing to do is to play by the rules.

No argument from me on the rules/rulebook and tech doing the job. The problem I have is W H E N they decide to do their job. All those wheels sit in the tire compund area all day and that gives a Nascar official plenty of time to inspect and certify they pass the dimensional requirements.

Did you happen to notice that with all the down time during the three days, you would always manage to find a group of officials huddled together trying to look important? For them to find the time to inspect this item after the race and lay the hammer down is B.S.

the 55 car turned him in

Does it matter who or even if anyone at all turned him in? He was illegal and was caught. That is all that matters and I'm glad to see it no matter what driver it was.

No money was paid out for the Qualifying races. They were solely for the purpose of determining the starting line up for the race.

They received points on where the finished in the qualifiers for the overall team bonus North/West. The team that won on points recieved a $2,000.00 bonus check and the other team recieved a $1,000.00 bonus check. You are right that no money for a position payout were made, only for the team bonus. It did make it closer but the North still would have won. The only way it would have changed were if NASCAR took all the points away from the #61 car. Boy if that happen he wouldn't have anybody like him in the Busch North. Take a $1,000.00 away because someone else cheated on the team is not going to make the people you race with very happy!

So if a guy tried to bring a W5 wheel for mounting, Goodyear wouldnt have a resposibility to say anything?

Actually you are wrong about this one too. The qualifying race was strictly a "Qualifying Race" to determine line up. Absolutely nothing else.

The team competition is based on the running order of the main event at the 100 lap break. That is when the points are calculated and it is determined whether the West or the North gets the Bonus money. It is not determined in the qualifying race.

Exactly, Goodyear's job is to sell and mount tires. They are not tech officials. These guys mount hundreds of tires daily and probably don't even pay attention anymore as mounting tires has become second nature to them. They just go through the motions and get it done.

It's kind of ridiculous to even try to put the blame on anyone else. Bottom line is, there is a rule book for a reason and it is up to the teams to follow it. Many times, teams that don't do actually get away with it and many times they don't. It is the team responsiblity to have it right and whether the officials find it in pre-race tech or post-race tech doesn't matter, it is illegal either way. If it was caught in pre-race tech, then they would have had the opportunity to fix it before the race, but they didn't and the team tried to get away with something and failed.

I like the tech in the top 3 divisions better because regardless of if its pre-race or post-race tech, if you are caught with something illegal, you pay the price with fines and points deductions. Look at Tony Stewart getting his car confiscated during pre-race tech because it did not fit the template. If the West series cracked down a little harder in pre-race tech, you'd proably have fewer teams trying to get away with bending or breaking the rules.

This is an argument? What is there to discuss? He raced an illegal car. He got caught. He got thrown out.

GOOD.

you are right. So much here on the message board I had myself talking about the first segment the 100 laps and not the 50 lap run for position race.

To bad they don't catch them all and also treat them all the same when they are caught cheating!! No excuses!! Just DQ them and not just nascar but the Friday and Saturday night races at all tracks but we know that there are some promoters that won't let that happen to bad makes for poor racing. Just my opinion

Lets say that late friday nite you take your tires off rims already inspected and mount those illegal wheels on tires that are already marked. Then you put these wheels on during the mid race stop or even during a pit stop hoping no one would catch it. There is no way to catch this unless you pull wheels every race. The top three do not due this every post race tech. West races and other races I have noticed that the tire vendors have packed everything and and are ready to move out when the race is over. I am glad this came out. Make the penalty stiff enough and beware. Reputations are damaged now.

I tend to think you are right, but more than a damaged reputation, Nascar saved its reputation. The 61 car that started on the pole fell quickly off the pace during the first 100 laps of the race, after the break he comes out like a rocket.

we were told the three sets of tires were impounded because the east teams can not be trusted to release them early .i was told this by the west tire official.thats why thay checked the tire after the race