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| MOPAR_1
Posts: 52 02/01/2012 5:33 PM |
Under 360ci, and crate 2800 lbs. Over 360 2900 lbs.
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| 302_Ford
Posts: 427 02/01/2012 5:37 PM |
I meant to put the 602 crate car at the 302-318 cid cars, oops... basically 100lbs off from a 350 cid.
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| raceingfan001
Posts: 48 02/02/2012 7:05 AM |
Quote posted by 302_Ford:If you open the rules up the old stock stub chassis will not stand a chance vs the newer straight rail fab clip cars. There must be a seperation of weight between different chassis types. Any Aftermarket body, No downforce bodies or forward facing rutters.
All steel heads and blocks. Solid cam and lifter. 11:1 compression ratio max 302-318 cid 2800 lbs min. 319-331 cid 2850 lbs min. (602 crate with 4bbl carb in this catagory) 332-360 cid 2900 lbs min. over 360 cid 3050 lbs min. all weights before penalties or concessions Aftermarket clip +50 lbs Aftermarket Spindles and/or brakes +50 lbs Factory rear Suspension, must match front clip -50 lbs Start here in my opinion... must be ford mustang rules |
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| 302_Ford
Posts: 427 02/02/2012 8:11 AM |
I had intended to put the 602 crate cars 100 lbs below the 350 cars... oops
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| 302_Ford
Posts: 427 02/02/2012 8:29 AM |
i can't see the page 6 posts...
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| 302_Ford
Posts: 427 02/02/2012 8:38 AM |
I have a fab clip straight rail car with a 350 cid motor. Not sure these rules help me. My brother is driving Stagg's Sportsman with a 350 also, so don't worry... You don't have to lose sleep over the Mustangs beating you this year. You are rediculous, those rules are pretty fair. And just out of curiosity... How do they benefit Ford over GM? The other thing I would put in is a $400.00 shock claim rule. 56% left side weight and 49% rear weight max would be in there too.
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| 302_Ford
Posts: 427 02/02/2012 9:38 AM |
I just read though SCR sportsman rulebook. I liket the 50 lbs penalty for coil overs, and the 50 lbs for untouched factory heads as well.
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| 302_Ford
Posts: 427 02/02/2012 11:45 AM |
That was -50 lbs for untouched factory heads.
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| Coreyjr
Posts: 82 02/02/2012 6:02 PM |
I say adopt a set of rules that is successful and go with it. You cant please everyone so there is no need to try.
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| 302_Ford
Posts: 427 02/02/2012 7:00 PM |
SCR sportsman rules are pretty good. Similar track configuration. No small CID engines. But I think that is ok... Gotta Put something in there for the 602 Crate guys tho. MRP is mandating it in a couple years. I like the rule about factory clutches. That helps keep the cost down considerably.
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| raceingfan001
Posts: 48 02/03/2012 5:55 AM |
Quote posted by Coreyjr:I say adopt a set of rules that is successful and go with it. You cant please everyone so there is no need to try.
here is a novel idea why not just use mrp rules and not reinvent the wheel .that way racers can build to one rule... 2 tracks |
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| MOPAR_1
Posts: 52 02/03/2012 8:38 AM |
Quote posted by raceingfan001:Quote posted by Coreyjr:I say adopt a set of rules that is successful and go with it. You cant please everyone so there is no need to try.
here is a novel idea why not just use mrp rules and not reinvent the wheel .that way racers can build to one rule... 2 tracks No way that makes way too much sense!  |
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| 302_Ford
Posts: 427 02/03/2012 8:46 AM |
Because in order to be competitive in the SuperStock class at MRP you need a straight rail Latemodel. You are racing against former MT 200 winning chassis with very little concessions to help balance the field. As we all know MRP is all about the corner and the better chassis really shine there. They are also mandating 602 crates soon and I don't think that is a very popular decision based on what I've heard anyway. Its going to cost the chevy guys at least 5,000.00 to go crate and the Ford and Dodge guys even more. If MRP's Rulebook was better I would agree 100%, but i'm not gonna follow them off that cliff. SCR's rulebook is way better in terms of competition and inclusion of multiple chassis. Read it you will like it.
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| 302_Ford
Posts: 427 02/03/2012 8:53 AM |
MRP's Hobby Stock rules are good, same with the bomber rules. They are both fairly conventional. The Hobby's just need a name change to Street Stocks because that is what they are called everywhere else.
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| raceingfan001
Posts: 48 02/03/2012 11:32 AM |
Quote posted by 302_Ford:Because in order to be competitive in the SuperStock class at MRP you need a straight rail Latemodel. You are racing against former MT 200 winning chassis with very little concessions to help balance the field. As we all know MRP is all about the corner and the better chassis really shine there. They are also mandating 602 crates soon and I don't think that is a very popular decision based on what I've heard anyway. Its going to cost the chevy guys at least 5,000.00 to go crate and the Ford and Dodge guys even more. If MRP's Rulebook was better I would agree 100%, but i'm not gonna follow them off that cliff. SCR's rulebook is way better in terms of competition and inclusion of multiple chassis. Read it you will like it.
where do you get the 5000 to go crate for chevy??? the ford alittle more but get real. |
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| 302_Ford
Posts: 427 02/03/2012 12:07 PM |
There are alot of different parts needed to move to a crate program. The engine itself is 4,000.00 or more GM wants 4,571.00 before you ship it. You get to run a 4bbl carb the recommeded one is a $700.00. You need to adjust your gear ratio accordingly, so that means new rear gears. Different ignition as many locations require a Rev Limiter chip. Easy 5,000.00 for the GM crate swap. you haven't even gotten exotic with low friction or lightweight parts yet.
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| raceingfan001
Posts: 48 02/03/2012 12:47 PM |
Quote posted by 302_Ford:There are alot of different parts needed to move to a crate program. The engine itself is 4,000.00 or more GM wants 4,571.00 before you ship it. You get to run a 4bbl carb the recommeded one is a $700.00. You need to adjust your gear ratio accordingly, so that means new rear gears. Different ignition as many locations require a Rev Limiter chip. Easy 5,000.00 for the GM crate swap. you haven't even gotten exotic with low friction or lightweight parts yet.
called gm dealer 3350.00 for crate delivered 4777 holley 350.00 get real |
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| raceingfan001
Posts: 48 02/03/2012 1:35 PM |
Quote posted by raceingfan001:Quote posted by 302_Ford:There are alot of different parts needed to move to a crate program. The engine itself is 4,000.00 or more GM wants 4,571.00 before you ship it. You get to run a 4bbl carb the recommeded one is a $700.00. You need to adjust your gear ratio accordingly, so that means new rear gears. Different ignition as many locations require a Rev Limiter chip. Easy 5,000.00 for the GM crate swap. you haven't even gotten exotic with low friction or lightweight parts yet.
called gm dealer 3350.00 for crate delivered 4777 holley 350.00 get real actual cost engine3350,,,msd6al 225...flywheel 400... carb 350...qc gears 100 add it up and not even 4500 you pay that much for a decent short block to run. and they last 3 to 4 years . i have seen many people nickle and dime engines and they blow up. you should no that one!!! |
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| murray
Posts: 320 02/03/2012 5:02 PM |
Is it cheaper to build a -350 ci engine?
Simplified SCR rules would work. Leave out the clutch, fuel system, and rear end sections to get more cars and make tech easier. Also make a difference between coilovers and big springs. mo |
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| 8teen2WIN
Posts: 53 02/03/2012 5:41 PM |
The 4bbl Holley is more twords the $700 range, I have one sitting on the 602, right now actually.
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| 8teen2WIN
Posts: 53 02/03/2012 5:48 PM |
oh dude,the GM performance parts website has the 602 @ $4,571.43 exactly. either way its not cheap, damn race cars
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| 302_Ford
Posts: 427 02/03/2012 6:09 PM |
80541-1hp carburator in MRP's rulebook, $695.00 through summitt. But yes you can run a stock 650 holley and give up probably 20 hp on the conservative side. Who knows what you will be running against there are some pretty good "stock" 650 carbs that pass tech.
I built my last race engine for $4,500.00 intake to oil pan, and it got 3 seasons and 2 championships out of it. Motorworks in Spokane built it. Crate motors are a good option for some people, but they should not be mandated. If you want to save motors in an open motor class, mandate a final gear ratio. Way cheaper and accomplishes the same goal. $3350.00 is so cheap you should order me one, and could you get me one of those good carbs too? |
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| mmmmm1
Posts: 120 02/03/2012 6:22 PM |
raceingfan001 is right eisinger chevy 3350.00 tell them you race at mrp
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| wildbillmitchell
Posts: 170 02/03/2012 8:50 PM |
City Chevrolet in N. Carolina was selling them for $3200 shipped to you last year. I haven't check what they want for one this year.
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| 302_Ford
Posts: 427 02/03/2012 9:57 PM |
Those are both good prices... I wonder how long they have been sitting or if they are fresh, Like if you ordered it from GM. Either way I still feel like you should have the option to run an open motor or crate motor. I had fun racing both combinations and know how competitively they can run against eachother. Eliminating either option is just costing more money for somebody who has a race ready car already. There is no reason these engine packages can't race against eachother.
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