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#1 tire softner
soft99 Posts: 1 06/11/2006 8:01 AM	what is a good softner for goodyear and how to use do you roll or warp thanks for the help !!!!!!

#1 tire softner

soft99

Posts: 1

06/11/2006 8:01 AM

what is a good softner for goodyear and how to use do you roll or warp thanks for the help !!!!!! Confused

#2
orangeone Posts: 11 06/13/2006 12:49 PM	On the cheap side of prep, you can mix (paint thinner)tuolene and xylene 50/50. It has a strong smell but it works very well.Put 6 onces in the tires and 3 quarts on the out side and wrap them up until race time.It is good for atleast 3 to 5 tenths!

orangeone

Posts: 11

06/13/2006 12:49 PM

On the cheap side of prep, you can mix (paint thinner)tuolene and xylene 50/50. It has a strong smell but it works very well.Put 6 onces in the tires and 3 quarts on the out side and wrap them up until race time.It is good for atleast 3 to 5 tenths! Wink

#3
brakelessbrewer Posts: 2 06/28/2006 8:11 AM	Acetone and grip or trackclaw mixed 50/50. Rolled or wrapped or both. And this might sound funny but we cut up a racing tire and let the parts soak in different softeners and compared them to find what worked and didn't work. BrakelessBrewer

brakelessbrewer

Posts: 2

06/28/2006 8:11 AM

Acetone and grip or trackclaw mixed 50/50. Rolled or wrapped or both. And this might sound funny but we cut up a racing tire and let the parts soak in different softeners and compared them to find what worked and didn't work.

BrakelessBrewer Smile

#4
mike112 Posts: 54 06/28/2006 9:57 AM	HMS is the best for Goodyears.

mike112

Posts: 54

06/28/2006 9:57 AM

HMS is the best for Goodyears.

#5
rivercityoutlaw Posts: 41 07/11/2006 11:53 AM	When you use the softener does is make the tire look any difference as far as wear when you come off the track. And the smell of the softener, is that detectable by just walking by the tire or do you have to release the air to smell it?????

rivercityoutlaw

Posts: 41

07/11/2006 11:53 AM

When you use the softener does is make the tire look any difference as far as wear when you come off the track. And the smell of the softener, is that detectable by just walking by the tire or do you have to release the air to smell it?????

#6
spottermagic Posts: 14 07/11/2006 2:44 PM	Looking to cheat it sounds like rivercityoutlaw. More power to ya. But most tracks have very stiff penalties if they do check and you are busted.

spottermagic

Posts: 14

07/11/2006 2:44 PM

Looking to cheat it sounds like rivercityoutlaw. More power to ya. But most tracks have very stiff penalties if they do check and you are busted.

#7
minisuperdave Posts: 65 07/11/2006 5:31 PM	Soaking your tires will only make them faster (3-4/10ths) for about 10 laps - This is ok for qualifying but if you have to run heat races the tires are back to normal by the main. I would only scuff them 1 lap then take them off for qualifying. Since most tracks have an invert you are just starting farther back anyway. after about 10 laps the tires will be the same as if you didn't soak them.

minisuperdave

Posts: 65

07/11/2006 5:31 PM

Soaking your tires will only make them faster (3-4/10ths) for about 10 laps - This is ok for qualifying but if you have to run heat races the tires are back to normal by the main. I would only scuff them 1 lap then take them off for qualifying. Since most tracks have an invert you are just starting farther back anyway. after about 10 laps the tires will be the same as if you didn't soak them.

#8
rivercityoutlaw Posts: 41 07/11/2006 5:32 PM	Just trying to get more races out of my tires. 6 races on a set of tires doesnt seem like cheatin to me.

rivercityoutlaw

Posts: 41

07/11/2006 5:32 PM

Just trying to get more races out of my tires. 6 races on a set of tires doesnt seem like cheatin to me.

#9
mike112 Posts: 54 07/12/2006 9:25 AM	HMS softener lasts for 75 laps or more. It penetrates deeper into the tire than Xylene or any homemade concoction. Try it, you will be impressed.

mike112

Posts: 54

07/12/2006 9:25 AM

HMS softener lasts for 75 laps or more. It penetrates deeper into the tire than Xylene or any homemade concoction. Try it, you will be impressed.

#10
spottermagic Posts: 14 07/12/2006 11:05 AM	I am all for legalizing tire soacking at every track. Unfortunatly that isnt the case and tracks have rules, most of which dont allow tires to be soaked. Like I said, more pwer to ya, go for it. Just dont get caught. We get 4 races out of our tires, no tire soak and I think that is plenty. Mike112, if you soak your tires does it make them last longer? specifically two races longer? I have no experiance with any of the stuff so I am curious.

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spottermagic

Posts: 14

07/12/2006 11:05 AM

I am all for legalizing tire soacking at every track. Unfortunatly that isnt the case and tracks have rules, most of which dont allow tires to be soaked. Like I said, more pwer to ya, go for it. Just dont get caught. We get 4 races out of our tires, no tire soak and I think that is plenty.
Mike112, if you soak your tires does it make them last longer? specifically two races longer? I have no experiance with any of the stuff so I am curious.

#11
mike112 Posts: 54 07/12/2006 3:50 PM	You will get better performance out of used tires after soaking. Past experience shows that about 4-5 nights is all a tire (10" Goodyear slick) has in it, but if you soak them, the performance of the tire will not fall off as fast as a non-soaked tire. It all depends on how many heat cycles you put the tire thru. Every heat cycle will harden the tire. Af ter a given night of racing, you should expect to see about a 10-point increase in hardness in your right side tires. After a soak w/ HMS, you will see a 10-15 point decrease in hardness.

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mike112

Posts: 54

07/12/2006 3:50 PM

You will get better performance out of used tires after soaking. Past experience shows that about 4-5 nights is all a tire (10" Goodyear slick) has in it, but if you soak them, the performance of the tire will not fall off as fast as a non-soaked tire. It all depends on how many heat cycles you put the tire thru. Every heat cycle will harden the tire. Af ter a given night of racing, you should expect to see about a 10-point increase in hardness in your right side tires. After a soak w/ HMS, you will see a 10-15 point decrease in hardness.

#12
ldl Posts: 61 07/12/2006 7:25 PM	What is HMS ??

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ldl

Posts: 61

07/12/2006 7:25 PM

What is HMS ??

#13
mike112 Posts: 54 07/13/2006 7:26 AM	hmstire.com I am a dealer; TGS Motorsports.

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mike112

Posts: 54

07/13/2006 7:26 AM

hmstire.com
I am a dealer; TGS Motorsports.

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spottermagic Posts: 14 07/13/2006 7:59 AM	thanks for the info mike

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spottermagic

Posts: 14

07/13/2006 7:59 AM

thanks for the info mike

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RACEMAN78 Posts: 37 07/21/2006 10:35 AM	Quote posted by mike112:hmstire.com I am a dealer; TGS Motorsports. mike112-that link doesn't bring up anything.

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RACEMAN78

Posts: 37

07/21/2006 10:35 AM

Quote posted by mike112:hmstire.com
I am a dealer; TGS Motorsports.

mike112-that link doesn't bring up anything. Confused

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RACEMAN78 Posts: 37 07/21/2006 10:38 AM	Quote posted by RACEMAN78:Quote posted by mike112:hmstire.com I am a dealer; TGS Motorsports. mike112-that link doesn't bring up anything. Should be www.hmstires.com Mike

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RACEMAN78

Posts: 37

07/21/2006 10:38 AM

Quote posted by RACEMAN78:Quote posted by mike112:hmstire.com
I am a dealer; TGS Motorsports.

mike112-that link doesn't bring up anything. Confused

Should be www.hmstires.com

Mike Big Grin

#17
NWGuy Posts: 251 07/22/2006 5:03 PM	Tire soaking is always illegal at any track that makes money off of the sales of tires to the racer. Even if you don't buy your tires directly from the track. Usually the promoter has an agreement that he makes $ X per tire sold. He wants you to spend $400 per week on tires, not $60 on softener.

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NWGuy

Posts: 251

07/22/2006 5:03 PM

Tire soaking is always illegal at any track that makes money off of the sales of tires to the racer. Even if you don't buy your tires directly from the track. Usually the promoter has an agreement that he makes $ X per tire sold. He wants you to spend $400 per week on tires, not $60 on softener.

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ALLBLUE Posts: 5 08/15/2006 5:25 PM	used soaks are not as fast as new stickers, and their is not way someone is running 4-6 weeks on a set of tires and even being close to the guys buying new tires every race! IMHO

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ALLBLUE

Posts: 5

08/15/2006 5:25 PM

used soaks are not as fast as new stickers, and their is not way someone is running 4-6 weeks on a set of tires and even being close to the guys buying new tires every race! IMHO

#19
johnpartridge Posts: 64 08/22/2006 10:34 AM	I will take the stickers every time!! Mike, can you smell this stuff or better yet can a DOG smell it? jp

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johnpartridge

Posts: 64

08/22/2006 10:34 AM

I will take the stickers every time!!
Mike, can you smell this stuff or better yet can a DOG smell it?

jp

#20 Re:
74racer Posts: 1 05/14/2007 5:08 PM	Quote posted by mike112:hmstire.com I am a dealer; TGS Motorsports. Mike how can I get a hold of you?

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74racer

Posts: 1

05/14/2007 5:08 PM

Quote posted by mike112:hmstire.com
I am a dealer; TGS Motorsports.

Mike how can I get a hold of you?

#21 Re:
mike112 Posts: 54 05/15/2007 7:33 AM	#719-232-4951

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mike112

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05/15/2007 7:33 AM

#719-232-4951

#22 Re:
RACEMAN78 Posts: 37 05/30/2007 9:40 AM	mike112 Are you in the Springs?

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RACEMAN78

Posts: 37

05/30/2007 9:40 AM

mike112

Are you in the Springs?

#23
mike112 Posts: 54 05/30/2007 9:49 AM	yes

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mike112

Posts: 54

05/30/2007 9:49 AM

yes

#24 Re:
traction Posts: 44 06/02/2007 4:22 PM	What is the best tire softner out there for Qualifying?

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traction

Posts: 44

06/02/2007 4:22 PM

What is the best tire softner out there for Qualifying?

#25 Re:
wallracing Posts: 2 06/07/2011 3:47 PM	I am a tire tech at my local race track and they just opened out rules on tire softening. Yes you can see tire wear when you come off the track and yes you can smell the softner on the tires if you smell them. I can always tell who is doping there tires when I change them.

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wallracing

Posts: 2

06/07/2011 3:47 PM

I am a tire tech at my local race track and they just opened out rules on tire softening. Yes you can see tire wear when you come off the track and yes you can smell the softner on the tires if you smell them. I can always tell who is doping there tires when I change them.

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